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		<title>By: eivind</title>
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		<dc:creator>eivind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-206981"><strong>eivind</strong></a></p>Would be very happy if you could hold your gun and give ME a good reason for the first instead of the latter, meaning: Come out with an advice not an advocate (sorry if my english can't give you more).
I use Firefox (3.x) and sometimes have to restart it due to PC mem-stops or whatever you wanna call it. I still use Firefox as IE cannot provide me with the same add-ons. I am FORE Firefox as it is, but of course... as a Norwegian I should maybe stick to Opera... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-206981"><strong>eivind</strong></a></p><p>Would be very happy if you could hold your gun and give ME a good reason for the first instead of the latter, meaning: Come out with an advice not an advocate (sorry if my english can't give you more).<br />
I use Firefox (3.x) and sometimes have to restart it due to PC mem-stops or whatever you wanna call it. I still use Firefox as IE cannot provide me with the same add-ons. I am FORE Firefox as it is, but of course... as a Norwegian I should maybe stick to Opera... :-)</p>
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		<title>By: yacuo mysztrv</title>
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		<dc:creator>yacuo mysztrv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-178774"><strong>yacuo mysztrv</strong></a></p><p>qrbznhax asgu rqclufe ulvzrhpc harpgxfq tmfu akfrbhl</p>
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		<title>By: Reaper-X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reaper-X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser.htm#comment-324</guid>
		<description><p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-324"><strong>Reaper-X</strong></a></p>Wow it seems i miss an important discussion here while i was away :D

# Ipatsuman

1. Yes, that's true no matter how secure your browser is if there's security flaw in the os itself you cant be sure your computer is safe while connected to the internet. As for the andrew comment, i'll leave that to ipatsuman

2. Actually the only problem in IE is the ActiveX, as for Java it can cause problem too but that depend on the user itself whether he/she allowed java / active x to run on IE or not

3. The not tech savvy user will always choose "YES" to every pop up or other installation program since they don't understand the meaning of it and yes that's true that since most users don't know about it they're actually installing the spyware into their computer because they dont know what they're doing

4. There's always other way to block popup, unfortunately it does need you to set up a content filtering proxy, or using other filtering program.

5. Actually the only problem i face when creating a website is the CSS problem (Opera 9 and Firefox does it job correctly without using specific hack) especially when using Float, but it can be fixed by using specific fix / instruction that'll only work on IE

The conclusion for me is, since not everyone like Firefox or Opera i dont like to force them to use it, but i do recommend it (Opera or Firefox) to my family and relative but in the end they're the one who decided it

btw thanks for visiting my site Andrew (its nice to see some people who's expert at computer security related stuff coming to my site) ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-324"><strong>Reaper-X</strong></a></p><p>Wow it seems i miss an important discussion here while i was away :D</p>
<p># Ipatsuman</p>
<p>1. Yes, that's true no matter how secure your browser is if there's security flaw in the os itself you cant be sure your computer is safe while connected to the internet. As for the andrew comment, i'll leave that to ipatsuman</p>
<p>2. Actually the only problem in IE is the ActiveX, as for Java it can cause problem too but that depend on the user itself whether he/she allowed java / active x to run on IE or not</p>
<p>3. The not tech savvy user will always choose "YES" to every pop up or other installation program since they don't understand the meaning of it and yes that's true that since most users don't know about it they're actually installing the spyware into their computer because they dont know what they're doing</p>
<p>4. There's always other way to block popup, unfortunately it does need you to set up a content filtering proxy, or using other filtering program.</p>
<p>5. Actually the only problem i face when creating a website is the CSS problem (Opera 9 and Firefox does it job correctly without using specific hack) especially when using Float, but it can be fixed by using specific fix / instruction that'll only work on IE</p>
<p>The conclusion for me is, since not everyone like Firefox or Opera i dont like to force them to use it, but i do recommend it (Opera or Firefox) to my family and relative but in the end they're the one who decided it</p>
<p>btw thanks for visiting my site Andrew (its nice to see some people who's expert at computer security related stuff coming to my site) ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-319"><strong>Andrew</strong></a></p>First of all I have been working with computers for over 25 years and have been directly involved in IT for over 15 years. The page is accurate. There are no lies on the page.

1. Read the source again. None of those exploits you mention had anything to do with IE's integration. IE DOES NOT expose the user to ANY Operating System APIs that that are not documented on MSDN as part of the platform SDK and available to other browsers and any other software that runs on Windows. You comment is 100% inaccurate.

2. I just did: http://secunia.com/search/?search=object+tag&#38;w=0

What is that only 7 for IE? Look at those listings for Firefox, Thunderbird and Linux. The fact is Active X is one of the most widely blamed security problems with IE.

3. These sorts of exploits are commonly blamed as poor IE security. The facts is your so called "auto install" issues are due to UNPATCHED vulnerabilities that people do not patch. As proven here, this is as much of a problem as IE. People need to apply security patches.

4. Firefox does not block all pop-ups, this is a fact.

5. This isn't even a Myth but a note to one. And it is the truth, IE does support standards.

Considering your complete lack of points, the argument stands.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-319"><strong>Andrew</strong></a></p><p>First of all I have been working with computers for over 25 years and have been directly involved in IT for over 15 years. The page is accurate. There are no lies on the page.</p>
<p>1. Read the source again. None of those exploits you mention had anything to do with IE's integration. IE DOES NOT expose the user to ANY Operating System APIs that that are not documented on MSDN as part of the platform SDK and available to other browsers and any other software that runs on Windows. You comment is 100% inaccurate.</p>
<p>2. I just did: <a href="http://secunia.com/search/?search=object+tag&amp;w=0" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/search/?search=object+tag&amp;w=0</a></p>
<p>What is that only 7 for IE? Look at those listings for Firefox, Thunderbird and Linux. The fact is Active X is one of the most widely blamed security problems with IE.</p>
<p>3. These sorts of exploits are commonly blamed as poor IE security. The facts is your so called "auto install" issues are due to UNPATCHED vulnerabilities that people do not patch. As proven here, this is as much of a problem as IE. People need to apply security patches.</p>
<p>4. Firefox does not block all pop-ups, this is a fact.</p>
<p>5. This isn't even a Myth but a note to one. And it is the truth, IE does support standards.</p>
<p>Considering your complete lack of points, the argument stands.</p>
<p>6.</p>
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		<title>By: IppatsuMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>IppatsuMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-308"><strong>IppatsuMan</strong></a></p>That page just spreads FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt). As I pointed out on the StumbleUpon comment page of your site:

It's so funny to read a pseudo-technical review from a pseudo-tech-savy writer with a pseudo-neutral point of view! Some observations are true, some are irrilevant, other are a bunch of lies. There are too much lies to debunk them all, here's the biggest ones:

1) "The security of any browser is irrelevant to if it is part of the operating system" - Bwawawa! So the fact that IE relies on code which runs under SYSTEM privileges is irrelevant? Have you ever heard of the .bmp exploit? (much older than the .wmf one) Or the .chm? (There are a lot more). All these bugs are caused by the deep roots that IE has in Windows systems

2)"Internet Explorer has more than it's fair share of security holes, but very few of them have to do with ActiveX" - Search any software vulnerabilities database for IE's bug realtive to "object" tag. Then judge.

3) Myth - "Firefox is a Solution to Spyware" "Visit the same page in FF and, with the JRE up and running, the below happens. Being a curious soul, I agreed to the install - and quickly wished I hadn't!" - Oh dear! So if you agree to install spyware you get spyware? I can't believe it! (sarcasm off). As social engineers say: there's no patch for human stupidity. At least Firefox asks you some question. A lot of spyware use IE's bugs to install themselves without any user interaction

4) "Firefox does not Block all Pop-ups. PopupTest shows the "Drop down Popup" and the "Sticky Popup" are not blocked." - Those are not pop-ups, because they are embedded in the web page with "div" tags. The good news is that you can anyway disable them using greasemonkey. Call me when you are able to do this with IE

5) "Internet Explorer has very good support (81-86%) for the most important web standard, HTML 4.01." - Woah! A full 86% of support for HTML 4.01!! Being a spare-time web developer I full heartly hope that IE will soon support ALL HTML 4... If it could support CSS in a standard way too, that would be great.

I like Firefox (I like Opera too), I install it on my relatives PCs and now I have much less headaches than before. It's far from being perfect software, but it nonethless works well. Try to argue better next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com">Reaper-X Commentators</a> by <a href="http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/18/truth-about-firefox-browser/#comment-308"><strong>IppatsuMan</strong></a></p><p>That page just spreads FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt). As I pointed out on the StumbleUpon comment page of your site:</p>
<p>It's so funny to read a pseudo-technical review from a pseudo-tech-savy writer with a pseudo-neutral point of view! Some observations are true, some are irrilevant, other are a bunch of lies. There are too much lies to debunk them all, here's the biggest ones:</p>
<p>1) "The security of any browser is irrelevant to if it is part of the operating system" - Bwawawa! So the fact that IE relies on code which runs under SYSTEM privileges is irrelevant? Have you ever heard of the .bmp exploit? (much older than the .wmf one) Or the .chm? (There are a lot more). All these bugs are caused by the deep roots that IE has in Windows systems</p>
<p>2)"Internet Explorer has more than it's fair share of security holes, but very few of them have to do with ActiveX" - Search any software vulnerabilities database for IE's bug realtive to "object" tag. Then judge.</p>
<p>3) Myth - "Firefox is a Solution to Spyware" "Visit the same page in FF and, with the JRE up and running, the below happens. Being a curious soul, I agreed to the install - and quickly wished I hadn't!" - Oh dear! So if you agree to install spyware you get spyware? I can't believe it! (sarcasm off). As social engineers say: there's no patch for human stupidity. At least Firefox asks you some question. A lot of spyware use IE's bugs to install themselves without any user interaction</p>
<p>4) "Firefox does not Block all Pop-ups. PopupTest shows the "Drop down Popup" and the "Sticky Popup" are not blocked." - Those are not pop-ups, because they are embedded in the web page with "div" tags. The good news is that you can anyway disable them using greasemonkey. Call me when you are able to do this with IE</p>
<p>5) "Internet Explorer has very good support (81-86%) for the most important web standard, HTML 4.01." - Woah! A full 86% of support for HTML 4.01!! Being a spare-time web developer I full heartly hope that IE will soon support ALL HTML 4... If it could support CSS in a standard way too, that would be great.</p>
<p>I like Firefox (I like Opera too), I install it on my relatives PCs and now I have much less headaches than before. It's far from being perfect software, but it nonethless works well. Try to argue better next time.</p>
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